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Bowed fuzion ?

MrGiorgio

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Nu het nozzle setje binnenkort ook in t assortiment zit, switch ik denk ik over van de apogee gtx naar de dtek fuzion.
In de reviews lees ik overal over een bowed version. Weet iemand ook hoe ik dat moet zien?
 
Je kan middels een eigen aanpassing, de D-Tek Fuzion "buigen", zodat er meer druk op de cores van jouw processor wordt uitgeoefend.

Zie plaatje:

BowingAFuzion.jpg


Ik heb zelf ook een D-Tek Fuzion en zat er over na te denken dit te doen, maar heb er toch maar vanaf gezien.
Het koelt "standaard" al goed genoeg en al helemaal met de nozzle kit.

Maar mocht je toch nog die extra koelvermogen uit willen persen, heb ik hier een stukje gekopieerd van XS forum:

Seems many are confused as to the whole 'bowing' sensation going round the town. Back in the day, before IHS's (or when they were easy to remove) we wanted bases flat as could be so to have the best contact with the silicon. A few months ago it is discovered that making a block convex can (and does) have a good impact on performance with IHS based CPU's. I won't go into the why's of it all, it should be pretty obvious though. Anyhow, Swiftech has started shipping fatter o-rings with their Apogee blocks, not installed but as an addition so the end user can install it and bow his base. I have verified that on a 6600 the bowed base is ~ 4.5C better than the non bowed base. Not to confuse here, the bases themselves are the SAME, it is the O-RING which will bow the base. Here is a pic of the bowed base, note the GAP between the base and the top, especially in the center between the screws that hold the block together:
GTX_bowed.jpg

One thing worth mentioning here is that once a base is bowed, it must remain this way for good - you can NOT revert it back to 'flat' as it will (the base) look sort of like a fun house mirror :D .
I must confess I tinker around with stuff, this is why I STILL haven't posted my testing results yet, I'm still NOT done, sigh. Anyhow, in my tinkering I discovered that I bowed the Fuzion. Yes that is right, the FUZION. I was working (well testing really) with the nozzles and the performance was NOT there, not like when I made my CRUDE nozzle. So I thought maybe water was not flowing all through the nozzle, but perhaps out between the top and mid plate and bypassing the base altogether. I know, sounds crazy so in an attempt to PREVENT this, I took an o-ring from an EK barb and placed it between the top and middle plate like so: (sorry for the crap focus, I need to pwn my camera) :mad:
fuzion_oring.jpg

Well doing this had unexpected results! The base was not bowed like the apogee base, it is more bowed from the center, not the outside. You see, the o-ring forces the mid plate center to push the center of the base out. The cool thing is that now I'm experimenting with different size o-rings. For those of you that will rush out and try this, the EK o-ring is as BIG as I would go, a tiny bit smaller in thickness would be better IMO. The EK oring makes the base a bit 'dome-ish'. Does it perform better than stock? Yes it does, not as dramatically as the Apogee, but it does. It is a bit trickier to mount too as it has more of a point than a bowed apogee, at least with the EK barb o-ring.
Perhaps these photos will show what I mean, again sorry for the blur.
Here we have a FLAT base just removed (MP-05 LE):
flat_mount_cpu_paste.jpg

Even with the blur you will note how the paste is pretty even (don't mind there corners where there is no paste).
Next up is the bowed Fuzion look at the paste, note the center where there is very LIGHT paste, this is where most contact is being made (most pressure I should say)
WB_fuzion_bowed_paste.jpg

Next up are 3 bowed Apogee mounts, note the STRIP you see, this is the point of most pressure:
CPU_apogee_bowed.jpg

CPU_apogee_bowed2.jpg

CPU_apogee_bowed3.jpg

A very important aspect of using a bowed based block are the mounts. YOu will have a larger deviation from mount to mount as you are not mating 2 flat surfaces... the Apogee's bow is a bit more forgiving in this regard - at least so far as I haven't had much time to play with different thicknesses of o-rings and the fuzion yet. Bottom line is if you are after best possible temps - use a bowed base and mount several times so you can get a baseline of where your mounts are, you will get a feel for good and bad.
I hope at least this clears up some confusion with bowed vs. flat. AS you know I have NOT released any test data yet, much to the dismay of many but I will say this, the Apogee's and the Fuzion are the 3 best blocks there are - the Storm and the MP-05 LE SP can NOT compete on IHS cpu's, it is just a fact. I am not going to recommend which block to people, right NOW there are only 3 to consider, the Apogee GT (bowed), the Apogee GTX (bowed) and the Fuzion. You can't go wrong with any of these and the performance difference is quite small anyway. I soon hope to have official numbers, thoughts, concerns and ramblings. :woot:
 
Hallo Freddy,

Bedankt voor de input. Even resumerend:

-Zodra je m hebt gebogen, moet die altijd zo blijven zitten.
-De gebogen Apogee gt en gtx en de ongebogen D-tek zijn de betere blokjes. Dus de D-Tek hoef je niet te buigen.
-Met de nozzle kit compenseer je ook al wat zodat je t zelfde effect wat hebt als met buigen.

Heb ik t zo goed begrepen?

Maar hoe zit dat dan met die ring? Is die universeel ?
 
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-Zodra je m hebt gebogen, moet die altijd zo blijven zitten.
-De gebogen Apogee gt en gtx en de ongebogen D-tek zijn de betere blokjes. Dus de D-Tek hoef je niet te buigen.
-Met de nozzle kit compenseer je ook al wat zodat je t zelfde effect wat hebt als met buigen.

Heb ik t zo goed begrepen?
Jep :)

Maar hoe zit dat dan met die ring? Is die universeel ?
Die kan je bij de bouwmarkt (gamma, praxis) halen.

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Ik weet eigenlijk niet zeker of gamma/praxis die dingen heeft.
In ieder geval verkopen wij die O-ringen ook los.
In 2 formaten: G1/4" en G3/8":
O-Ring voor G1/4 schroefdraad fitting: 11 x 1,6mm
O-Ring voor G3/8 schroefdraad fitting: 14 x 1,78mm
 
Zowaar vandaag mijn D-Tek Fusion opgehaald samen met de nozzle kit.
Echter blijft de stess temp te hoog. Tussen de 45 en 50 graden.

Voorheen had ik een Alphacool HP pro block.
Het zit goed gemonteerd en de warmte wordt wel goed door gegeven ( idle 28/30 graden binnen paar seconden )

Zal de nozzle kit veel schelen?
 
Zojuist heb ik mijn fusion gemod met de 4.5MM nozle en een standaard 1/4" o-ring (bow)
De temps zijn 3Ghz idle 19graden ( balkon deur open :) ) en stress max 30 graden.

Bij het refitten van het blok zag ik dat er simpel weg niet genoeg druk werk uitgeoefend (de bracket was verbogen dus daar ligt het niet aan :D ).
 

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